i wouldn't want one of us being president? at what point are the big shots going to say you're not clean enough or sophisticated enough to be the leaders. we'll take your votes. but none of you is going to get to be president. at what point does that clash occur? >> i think what's going to happen is you'll see this fight take place in 2011. and if 2011 goes like 1995 went -- >> you mean the run-up? >> the radicals discredited themselves with government shutdowns and this kind of stuff, when you goat 2012. it will make a difference. >> but who is going to run? oh, absolutely. who is actually going to make it. >> mark, when is this going to happen? when are we going to see the castle versus o'donnell race between palin and -- it looks like the tea parents have already written off mitt romney. he was the stalking horse for obama. they're already nailing the guy. they're getting help, by the way, of who's going after -- oh, pawlenti is saying you're one of the rhinos. >> well, look, chris there is a cleve right now. there are seve